From: J L
To: Webmaster
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 8:22 AM
Subject: Re: Checkmate

From you:

""You didn't comment on this. Debus initiated this thread on Opposing Digits on 22nd March. No other comments were posted until Poseidon joined the thread THREE DAYS AGO - the SAME DAY that I joined the Daryl Bradford Smith Indicted thread on Wake Up From Your Slumber and posted this comment. Do you not find this suspicious at all?""

I saw you mention it, but missed the link, somehow. But Jim, you linked to OD that day, as you say, and drew Poseidon's attention to Debus. It's not as "coincidental" as you say when that's taken into account. However:

Debus: "Build up fear and suspicion - nobody is who they seem - and when you've got the reader where you want them - feeling mistrustful and paranoid - bring in soothing reassurance that there are people who are on your side, people whom you can trust: Smith, Hufschmid and Bollyn .... "

I must admit, this is exactly what Poseidon said on WUFYS. There's no doubt about it, they are similar. I know why you believe they're the same person, but you'd stake your credibility on it? I say bad move. I've seen nothing so far that can't be put down to coincidence, and as I pointed out earlier, I see differences in their writing. At this point, I'm not convinced.

""Ahem. Sheen and O'Connell ARE covering for the perpetrators of 9-11. Neither are talking about Israel. Neither has said a peep about Israeli involvement in 9-11. Ask yourself why someone purporting themselves as a Zio-exposer is promoting people who toe the Alex Jones-Dylan Avery line. Hello-o.""

Jim, pah-leeze. Are you serious? *I* think they should be commended, too! They don't finger Israel for it, so what? Rosie O'Donnell has been very careful not to blame Bush or go beyond the "all I have is questions" point. When asked if she thought the Bush admin was culpable, she said "no". How does not mentioning Israel make her disingenuous or suspect? It's the same as saying everyone in the Jones camp is suspect. They're not. They simply haven't done the research we have; they've been kept at the gate, as it were, by Jones et al. I remember being there myself. So even if Sheen (and I believe he's a Joneser) and O'Donnell (I don't know how well-researched she is) don't stand in our camp, and don't believe it was an Israeli operation, so whut?

This brings us back to the differences between our respective goals with regard to 9/11. To me, the goal is to raise awareness and push toward a critical mass majority that don't buy the official story. Your goal is to work within the existing 9/11 truth community and expose the Zionists, as far as I understand it. And I don't understand it well. Given what I'd like to see happen, O'Donnell and Sheen have done the world a favor. You're fucking harsh, Jim. Uncompromising. What if they're just naive? I disagree with your mental process here. I believe you've picked it up from Hufschmid et al, and I believe it's unfair. And in their case, paranoid, irresponsible and slanderous. Sheen and O'Donnell are on our side.

Do you really believe that it's an effective Zionist disinformation tactic to put celebrities on mainstream television to publicly and vociferously question the official 9/11 story, thereby *raising* awareness about it? Is that what you'd do if you wanted to keep a secret? If you stole something from a jewelry store and got away with it, would it help to call the police and tell them that something has been stolen from the jewelry store but it wasn't you, or would it be better to just shut your mouth about it?

I feel the same way about your (Huf's) appraisal of Debus based on the mini-nukes conjecture. It only equates to disinfo if you know it's untrue. What made you think he knew it was untrue? There are so many questions about 9/11. Be careful not to pick up Hufschmid's bad habits, mate. Take the good and leave the bad. You can't tell me it's rational to reason that way.

Call me the Devil's Advocate; someone's gotta keep your wild speculation in balance. ;)

""I strongly disagree with Qrswave's assessment of Poseidon. Let's examine this statement by Poseidon via his website:""

Qrswave's assessment is her own, not mine. I wouldn't call him an "asset" to the truth movement just yet, the jury's still out on him as far as I'm concerned. One thing's for sure though; a lot of what he says is completely ridiculous. I like UAZ. He/she does a good job of pointing it out in that thread, in a fair, reasonable way.

""And what of the '4,000 Jews' myth. Poseidon slips that one in very nicely during this piece.""

I couldn't find a reference to "Jews" or "Israelis" at all on that page. A firefox word search yielded no results.

""DD IS Fester. They are working together as a team.""

This I can believe - that DD is Fester. If they are working as a team, that's evidence (that Po is a shill). If Poseidon is Debus, that's evidence. If Poseidon is connected to NOLAJBS, that's evidence. But his indictment of "Hufsmith", his support for Piper, and his showing up on the OD forum isn't quite compelling enough, not to my mind.

""I have indeed seen the clip you refer to. I understand why you cannot endorse Hufschmid. I trust that you will understand why I think the same of Poseidon. ""

I do, you've done a good job on your little timeline. I don't think your assertions are ridiculous at all, they're just not backed by solid enough evidence yet, i.m.o.

That chick I was talking to is in India unfortunately, so no sex for me. Ah well. Maybe I'll be able to convince her to get on the webcam and play with herself or something. heh

Cheers brother, I'll get back to you asap about the Nina thing.